“managed to give racists a bad name”

Valentine

dylann roof got the death sentence

Peter

Good

Valentine

tbh i kind of forgot that that was a thing that could still happen

Peter

Roof managed to give racists a bad name

I mean he’s straight up psychopathic

Valentine

“managed to give racists a bad name”

Peter

That’s definitely the quote for the next post

But seriously

Like, that’s not even in jest.

Valentine

even though this is one of the most clear-cut situations in which “MAXIMAL PUNISHMENT” would be warranted

the idea of the death penalty still strikes me as archaic

Peter

It probly is

But I also don’t like the idea of sustaining his life with tax payer money

Maybe we should just leave people in a state of nature

Like an uninhabited island in the middle of nowhere

Valentine

“If your crime is sufficiently bad we just dump you somewhere in Alaska”

Peter

It would be philosophically consistent

Valentine

idk i imagine a certain kind of sociopath just being incentivized by that

but yeah i guess

“If you fail to uphold the basic obligations of citizenship you rescind your right to citizenship”

Peter

Exactly

Valentine

tbh that’s already done in a limited way by restricting felons from voting lol

Peter

Well replace citizenship with “society”

Valentine

but that’s just a fucked up version

Peter

OK but voting is arguable not a right anyway

Valentine

since it means if you’re poor and smoked pot once you can no longer vote for president

Peter

Arguably*

Aren’t you the one who’s generally like poor people shouldn’t vote? XD

Valentine

I feel like voting certainly isn’t modeled as a ~privilege~ in a republic

You misunderstand: dumb people shouldn’t vote

(dumb modeled roughly as “anyone who disagrees with me” of course)

Peter

Of course

Valentine

but yeah, I think votes are better thought of as rights even though i guess they are technically privileges

constitutional rights

not human rights

Peter

I mean the fact they can be revoked kinda indicates it’s not right? Even in the States

Valentine

so the only way someone should be disenfranchised from the vote is if you actually literally remove them from society…i.e. by island

Peter

Like a felon doesn’t lose the right to free speech

Valentine

personally i don’t think they ~should~ be able to be revoked if you want philosophical consistency

Peter

Maybe we like to pretend it’s a right, but it’s definitely a privilege

O ya probly true

Well

Eh

Maybe

I don’t think it’s philosophically inconsistent necessarily

Or, know that*

Valentine

given that voting AND freedom of speech are all abilities defined by the constitution, what makes one okay to be a privilege and the other a fundamental right?

I mean voter ID laws and etc are more direct examples of disenfranchising voters

Peter

I don’t think one is OK and one isn’t

I’m just saying descriptively that’s how they’re modeled

Valentine

Descriptively by constitution?

Peter

I do think historically voting has been modeled as a privilege

Descriptively by observation

Valentine

you could say that (empirically is probably a better word) that freedom of speech is also empirically a privilege not a right

i.e. slaves didn’t have freedom of speech, communists didn’t have it during the red scare

unrelatedly, the argument that the death sentence is the easy way out

Peter

Talking about Rhodes must fall right now

I know you have strong feelings about that :ap

😛

And you’re right I suppose

About free speech

Valentine

What do the English say about what they did to my country

Peter

Although really I don’t think the red scare was exactly equivalent

Also with slaves they didn’t really think slaves were human so not sure how that models

Everyone here is a bleeding liberal as far as I can tell

Valentine

People were sort of run out of the country or at least their livelihoods for expressing opinions so

In the red scare I mean

Peter

And they’re mostly the type that seem to get upset by more reasoned or extended disagreement, at least among the US kids. I haven’t really spoken extensively to the [REDACTED] kids politically

Valentine

Isn’t one of them a republican

Peter

I don’t really like her though

Valentine

lol

Peter

Or spend extensive time with her

Also I don’t think that changes my analysis

Just the kind of argument

Valentine

Eh, I guess

Maybe you just don’t know them well enough to get into a long political argument with them lol

Most people think it’s rude to do that with someone they’ve just met

Peter

Unless Republicans are more resilient in your head

Also fair

These are first impressions

I really like the head of the student body here though

Valentine

Is the head of the student body at oxford more relevant than the [REDACTED] equivalent

Peter

Dunno

I think so

Smaller school and all that

Valentine

How much smaller is [REDACTED]

Peter

400 undergrad total

Anyway

I guess rights aren’t really a thing

We’ve solved one problem

BRING ME ANOTHA

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